[chad@ffLiveWire]

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Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson (knee) beat a few of his teammates running at the team's practice facility. Peterson, who is still just six months removed from major knee surgery, beat WR Percy Harvin in runs up a steep hill twice Wednesday, May 30. 'He's amazing. I told him the other day I don't think he's human,' Harvin said. 'Two weeks ago he beat a couple guys in a race. When I got here yesterday, I told them guys they should be embarrassed.' Analysis: We already heard this stuff in April. It's great news and it's the reason why AP is holding steady in the mid-second round of mock drafts.

:ClimbingUpTheDraftBoard:

[Aargyle]

I was bummed to see this news, I was hoping people would forget about AP and I could grab him as the top3 RB he is at a later ADP.

[Vikings4ever]

ACL injuries are never good for RBs, and the later in the year it happens, the worse off they tend to be next year.

But if I had to bet on someone coming back full from an ACL tear, it'd be Purple Jesus.

[Tough Guy]

This guy is a freak there is no doubt about it.

[Rholio]

Biggest problem I see for him is his running style. AP tends to try to punish tacklers early in games, and people coming off this type of injury tend to be a bit fragile the first season back.

I expect he'll be back by week 1, but don't like his chances to make it through the season.

[Football_Scooter]

Running in a straight line is not what the ACL helps with. Winning a race after ACL surgery is relatively meaningless. Most guys regain their speed.

The ACL, MCL and PCL are stabilizers. They keep the knee together while making lateral movement. For a RB that's when they cut. That's why it takes 2 years for almost everyone. AP running fast in a straight line means nothing for his fantasy status. When I read "AP's shifty moves make defenders miss in practice" or "AP made a sharp cut and broke one with no ill effects" I'll be a buyer. Right now I'm still a heavy "wait & see".

[chad@ffLiveWire]

Football_Scooter, on 02 June 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

That's why it takes 2 years for almost everyone. AP running fast in a straight line means nothing for his fantasy status. When I read "AP's shifty moves make defenders miss in practice" or "AP made a sharp cut and broke one with no ill effects" I'll be a buyer.

This simply isn't true any more. Wes Welker returned to football action just 6 months after surgery - and receivers rely on cutting too. ADP is making cuts already and still has 3 months before he needs to be on the field. I don't hesitate to draft him this year.

[MTskibum]

chad@ffLiveWire, on 02 June 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 02 June 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

That's why it takes 2 years for almost everyone. AP running fast in a straight line means nothing for his fantasy status. When I read "AP's shifty moves make defenders miss in practice" or "AP made a sharp cut and broke one with no ill effects" I'll be a buyer.

This simply isn't true any more. Wes Welker returned to football action just 6 months after surgery - and receivers rely on cutting too. ADP is making cuts already and still has 3 months before he needs to be on the field. I don't hesitate to draft him this year.

AP is bigger than welker though.

The larger the person the more time it takes to recover from a leg injury in my opinion.


I am with the group consensus on this, if anyone can put up rb 1 numbers less than a year after tearing his acl it is purple jesus. There is something about the truly elite athletes that allows their bodies to heal faster, at 35 years old coming off a torn acl jerry rice put up a 1200 yard 9 td season, plus surgery wasn't as good back then.

This post has been edited by MTskibum: 03 June 2012 - 01:11 PM

[Vikings4ever]

MTskibum, on 03 June 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

chad@ffLiveWire, on 02 June 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 02 June 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

That's why it takes 2 years for almost everyone. AP running fast in a straight line means nothing for his fantasy status. When I read "AP's shifty moves make defenders miss in practice" or "AP made a sharp cut and broke one with no ill effects" I'll be a buyer.

This simply isn't true any more. Wes Welker returned to football action just 6 months after surgery - and receivers rely on cutting too. ADP is making cuts already and still has 3 months before he needs to be on the field. I don't hesitate to draft him this year.

AP is bigger than welker though.

The larger the person the more time it takes to recover from a leg injury in my opinion.


I am with the group consensus on this, if anyone can put up rb 1 numbers less than a year after tearing his acl it is purple jesus. There is something about the truly elite athletes that allows their bodies to heal faster, at 35 years old coming off a torn acl jerry rice put up a 1200 yard 9 td season, plus surgery wasn't as good back then.

Or in 97 when he tore his ACL in the season opener... and managed to come back and play the final game of the season.

[Football_Scooter]

Just not feeling AP. I'm also not that high on the Vikings.

I'd rather take a chance on a CJ2K bounce back with an early 2nd/late 1st round pick.

[Aargyle]

Football_Scooter, on 07 June 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

Just not feeling AP. I'm also not that high on the Vikings.

I'd rather take a chance on a CJ2K bounce back with an early 2nd/late 1st round pick.

:shhh: Also hoping folks forget about him, I agree he's in for a bounce back. I don't know who I'd take first between these to in the early second: say they both make it to 2.03....hrm.

[vardaski]

Aargyle, on 07 June 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 07 June 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

Just not feeling AP. I'm also not that high on the Vikings.

I'd rather take a chance on a CJ2K bounce back with an early 2nd/late 1st round pick.

:shhh: Also hoping folks forget about him, I agree he's in for a bounce back. I don't know who I'd take first between these to in the early second: say they both make it to 2.03....hrm.

I think AP is an absolute steal in the 2nd but I am also not sure which I would take first between CJ2k and AP. Both in my opinion are great draft picks at their current ADPs.

[Football_Scooter]

I think it's a no-brainer. You take the guy not coming off of a blown out knee on a bad team.

CJ2K is on a very talented Titans team - and reportedly working his ass off. he should finish top 5 without a doubt.

AP is coming off a blowed up knee. If you're picking 12 & they're both sitting there, but you want to go RB/QB or RB/WR, I think CJ2K is the obvious choice.

[chad@ffLiveWire]

Football_Scooter, on 08 June 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

I think it's a no-brainer. You take the guy not coming off of a blown out knee on a bad team.

CJ2K is on a very talented Titans team - and reportedly working his ass off. he should finish top 5 without a doubt.

AP is coming off a blowed up knee. If you're picking 12 & they're both sitting there, but you want to go RB/QB or RB/WR, I think CJ2K is the obvious choice.

If CJ2K and ADP are both there at the turn, I'm going RB/RB and get my QB and WR at rounds 3 and 4.

[Football_Scooter]

In my formats its gotten so you can't afford to pass on a #1 WR or QB early. By 3.12/4.01 you're unlikely to get a QB1 or WR1. Damn interwebs make it too easy for the n00bs these days. I think it's an interesting choice though. Who's more likely to bounce back? Who'd you pick in a $100 league? What about in a $500 league?

Besides, I qualified my statement - I knew someone would pop off & say "I'll just take 'em both!" I just didn't figure on it being you Chad.

So if you could only take one - say you're picking 1.10 and you KNOW the guy at 12 is a RB/RB guy, which do you grab between AP & CJ?

[chad@ffLiveWire]

Football_Scooter, on 08 June 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

In my formats its gotten so you can't afford to pass on a #1 WR or QB early. By 3.12/4.01 you're unlikely to get a QB1 or WR1. Damn interwebs make it too easy for the n00bs these days. I think it's an interesting choice though. Who's more likely to bounce back? Who'd you pick in a $100 league? What about in a $500 league?

Besides, I qualified my statement - I knew someone would pop off & say "I'll just take 'em both!" I just didn't figure on it being you Chad.

So if you could only take one - say you're picking 1.10 and you KNOW the guy at 12 is a RB/RB guy, which do you grab between AP & CJ?

I take ADP over CJ2k

[MTskibum]

chad@ffLiveWire, on 08 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 08 June 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

In my formats its gotten so you can't afford to pass on a #1 WR or QB early. By 3.12/4.01 you're unlikely to get a QB1 or WR1. Damn interwebs make it too easy for the n00bs these days. I think it's an interesting choice though. Who's more likely to bounce back? Who'd you pick in a $100 league? What about in a $500 league?

Besides, I qualified my statement - I knew someone would pop off & say "I'll just take 'em both!" I just didn't figure on it being you Chad.

So if you could only take one - say you're picking 1.10 and you KNOW the guy at 12 is a RB/RB guy, which do you grab between AP & CJ?

I take ADP over CJ2k

Chris Johnson had a bad year last year; 1500 total yards. This year there have been numerous news clips saying how chris Johnson has been working harder and looks in better shape. He should improve on his terrible 1500 yard season. For the most part touchdowns have been proven to be random from year to year, CJ should definitely get more TD's next season.

1900 total yards and 10 TD's seems pretty reasonable, and i could see alot better numbers.




I know jocstrap doesnt come around here very often, but i offered to trade him ray rice straight across for chris johnson and he turned it down in the earlybird league.

[Football_Scooter]

MTskibum, on 09 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

chad@ffLiveWire, on 08 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 08 June 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

In my formats its gotten so you can't afford to pass on a #1 WR or QB early. By 3.12/4.01 you're unlikely to get a QB1 or WR1. Damn interwebs make it too easy for the n00bs these days. I think it's an interesting choice though. Who's more likely to bounce back? Who'd you pick in a $100 league? What about in a $500 league?

Besides, I qualified my statement - I knew someone would pop off & say "I'll just take 'em both!" I just didn't figure on it being you Chad.

So if you could only take one - say you're picking 1.10 and you KNOW the guy at 12 is a RB/RB guy, which do you grab between AP & CJ?

I take ADP over CJ2k

Chris Johnson had a bad year last year; 1500 total yards. This year there have been numerous news clips saying how chris Johnson has been working harder and looks in better shape. He should improve on his terrible 1500 yard season. For the most part touchdowns have been proven to be random from year to year, CJ should definitely get more TD's next season.

1900 total yards and 10 TD's seems pretty reasonable, and i could see alot better numbers.




I know jocstrap doesnt come around here very often, but i offered to trade him ray rice straight across for chris johnson and he turned it down in the earlybird league.

Wow - I wouldn't be able to turn down that trade, but at the same time I think CJ might be better than Rice this year.

[Aargyle]

I'm also really high on CJ this year, and would likely go CJ over AP due to injury issue (CJ will be available week one). I don't think I could trade for Ray Rice, but I do see RR not repeating last year, and CJ getting better than last year (CJ recently said he still thinks and wants to be the #1 RB in the league).

[Aargyle]

Roto:

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Coach Leslie Frazier suggested Tuesday that Adrian Peterson (ACL, MCL, meniscus surgery) is "on pace" and "optimistic" to play in the season opener.
Frazier is still unsure about Peterson's availability for training camp. Even if he doesn't start camp on the PUP list, we fully expect Peterson to be eased into August practices. Now that the Vikings appear to be on-board with Peterson's Week 1 expectations, it's hard to remain skeptical that he is indeed an athletic marvel. Due to the complexity of the injury, however, a preseason setback certainly can't be ruled out.

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Christian Ponder described Adrian Peterson's fast recovery from ACL and MCL surgery as "unbelievable," and called Peterson a "freak."
"You can’t doubt Adrian," said Ponder. "The guy, number one, is a freak athlete, and for him to be doing the things that he’s been doing so early after surgery is unbelievable." Ponder also revealed that head trainer Eric Sugarman will make the final call on Peterson's return to game action. "But as of right now he looks good and I know he’s determined to get back for Week 1."

[Aargyle]

Roto:

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Coach Leslie Frazier confirmed Tuesday that Adrian Peterson (knee) won't play in the Vikings' final two preseason games.
Frazier stressed the move has nothing to do with Peterson's progress, and is strictly precautionary. It's unideal that Peterson's first live reps since shredding his left knee will come in a regular-season game, but there's been nary a discouraging report on his rehab. AP will be limited for potentially 2-3 games, but could be back to full speed by the season's second month.

I'm still not sure where to put AP. I've been reading come-back times again on this, and I just don't know how soon AP will 'be' AP. Not the first month almost all reports say, so is the third round a good spot for him?

[ft_ball_fan]

I agree. Tough to figure where he goes... He's boom or bust IMO ... I'm avoiding him

[Football_Scooter]

I passed on AdP in my PPR IDP and went with a WR in the 2nd instead. He went 2.08, roughly exactly his ADP (irony...lol)

I did take McFadden 1.09 though, so we'll see what's what. Funny how high DMC has climbed since this topic started a few months back.

Talk is always cheap - "he's hungry to get back out there!" - "he wants to get hit!" - it's always BS soundbytes for a headline on Rotoworld or ESPN - of course the player is geeked up to play again, but I saw that knee injury in super slow motion a hundred times. Not that he can't come back, but Gerhart is effective, the team is young and they're not going to load up AP with 260+ carries this year regardless.

And in PPR he's less valuable anyway. And short yardage may shift to Gerhart regardless of AP's health. If you were the coach or GM who would you want to use as a battering ram?

So boom/bust might be extreme - if anyone can come back and play at a high level it's ADP, but IMO it's a RBBC to minimize ADP's workload and not a ton of work at the GL to keep him from getting punished too bad in the piles.

Not a 2nd round pick to me. 3rd. Maybe 4th.

The time to buy on AP in the 2nd is 2013 after a pedestrian season (provided he's not hurt again) - it reminds me of Jamal Lewis a bit and 2013 ADP will be the steal of every draft. (bold prediction)

[Aargyle]

Roto:

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Coach Leslie Frazier expects Adrian Peterson (knee) to be a game-time decision for Week 1 versus the Jaguars.
We've suspected for quite some time that Peterson would be granted a ceremonial "start" for the opener, only to give way to Toby Gerhart for the majority of the game. Peterson owners should keep tabs on his progress next week, but the odds are against Chris Wesseling and Mike Clay ranking him as a top-30 fantasy back for Week 1. Peterson has just begun to take hits in practice this week.

[Aargyle]

Roto:

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Vikings coach Leslie Frazier confirmed Adrian Peterson (knee) will play a minimal role if he's active in Week 1 against Jacksonville.
Peterson won't be a fantasy option against the Jags. "We recognize if he's able to get in this first ball game, it'll be with limited exposure," Frazier said. The Vikings won't decide whether to activate Peterson until just before game time, and it sounds like he wouldn't get more than a fistful of touches even if he plays. Look for Toby Gerhart to handle the rushing load in Week 1.

[Aargyle]

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Adrian Peterson (questionable, knee) was limited in Vikings practice again Friday.
Peterson is still a game-time decision who will at best be available for a change-of-pace role behind Toby Gerhart against the Jaguars. We have a feeling fantasy leaguers who end up starting Peterson will be kicking themselves by late Sunday afternoon. He probably isn't going to reach double-digit carries.

[Aargyle]

team reports active

[Aargyle]

Roto:

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Adrian Peterson started and rushed 17 times for 84 yards and two touchdowns as the Vikings outlasted the Jaguars in OT of Week 1, winning 26-23.

Not Limited.

[Rock Hard]

AP did look awesome today - he's baaaaaaack!

[U Dub]

Yeah I sat him

[yoman]

He could be one of the steals of the draft if he is fully back. Even though he was usually taken in the 2nd round in most drafts if he performs as a top 3 RB and is his old self than he can start almost single-handededly winning weeks for teams that drafted him.

[dagame]

I sat him but hopefully will win nyway.

[dagame]

dagame, on 10 September 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I sat him but hopefully will win nyway.

Fucking lost!

[Aargyle]

Aargyle, on 31 May 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

I was bummed to see this news, I was hoping people would forget about AP and I could grab him as the top3 RB he is at a later ADP.

In this thread I talk about him as a super high pick, wish I had the stones to take him any time I saw him drop past pick six this year. I didn't think we'd ever see a 2000 yard back again in today's NFL, the fact he is doing it so soon after injury is simply unbelievable.

[Aargyle]

Wow, just wow. What a year, and so quick off the ACL.

Now: can he break the 370 touch rule? He has 348 carries, 40 receptions before any playoff games. I don't think I can buy on him next year.

>370<, I've seen better articles but that is a good chart. AP had 370+ in 2008, so he's already bucked the trend once....