[Rholio]

Okay guys, lets keep the Picks thread for just the picks. I'll keep the team rosters updated on that thread. This one is for ragging on picks, complimenting picks, bragging about picks, whatever you like. TRY to play nice!

Scoring: all TDs 6pts, all 2pt conversion 2pts.
Passing- 1pt per 25 yds
Rushing- 1pt per 10 yds
Receiving- 1pt per 10 yds, 1pt per rec.
Kicking- 3pts per field goal, 1pt per extra point
Defense- standard

Starters: QB / RB / RB / WR / WR / TE / Flex / K / Def plus 7 Bench players

[Portis26]

1.1 Ray Rice

[Football_Scooter]

lol - Portis, you got the topics backwards.

Heh

[Football_Scooter]

Also Ray Rice - bold 1st overall. Talk of reduced carries worries me.

Has the scoring system for this mock been posted? I need to know of its performance scoring or QB heavy or PPR or what...

Thx!

[Rholio]

Football_Scooter, on 30 June 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

Also Ray Rice - bold 1st overall. Talk of reduced carries worries me.

Has the scoring system for this mock been posted? I need to know of its performance scoring or QB heavy or PPR or what...

Thx!

Yeah, it's in the sign up thread. I'll add it here as well, good idea.

[ft_ball_fan]

Love Ray's rec out of the backfield... haven't done enough reading yet because I haven't heard about reduced carries... this is going to be great practice/prep

p.s. I'm such a fan of A Foster I don't think I could pass on him at #1... hoping I don't have the top 3ish picks when its for real to have to worry about taking him or not...

[Portis26]

Football_Scooter, on 30 June 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

Also Ray Rice - bold 1st overall. Talk of reduced carries worries me.

Not sure if The Ravend will be able to keep him off the field ... He is that good, no real back up threat- plenty of touches = plenty of yards

#1 pick this year actually has some options with Foster or Rice this year

[Portis26]

Football_Scooter, on 30 June 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

lol - Portis, you got the topics backwards.

Heh

Fix the topic please.. So I can see correct thread on iPhone

[Rholio]

Portis26, on 30 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 30 June 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

lol - Portis, you got the topics backwards.

Heh

Fix the topic please.. So I can see correct thread on iPhone

Changed the name to Mock Draft Picks, that should help hopefully.

Rice would be my pick at 1.1 as well, good call there. Foster puts up great numbers, but doesn't stay healthy the way Rice does.

[Football_Scooter]

I'm pretty surprised by Rice at 1.01 - I don't think I've yet seen anyone project him at that spot. PIT still has a decent run-stopping D, and the Bengals D is up & coming too. The division and schedule both worry me, and I just see a couple of players as better options for the top overall pick. Not all are RBs.

In the spirit of traditional "draft etiquette" I'll wait to name those players until after they've been selected.

[Portis26]

Football_Scooter, on 30 June 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I'm pretty surprised by Rice at 1.01 - I don't think I've yet seen anyone project him at that spot. PIT still has a decent run-stopping D, and the Bengals D is up & coming too. The division and schedule both worry me, and I just see a couple of players as better options for the top overall pick. Not all are RBs.

In the spirit of traditional "draft etiquette" I'll wait to name those players until after they've been selected.

Are u 'really' surprised? Ray Ray is a top 3 player so why does it surprise you that someone picked him 1a over 1b and/or 1c?

[Football_Scooter]

A little. I rice - if you wanted him, that's where you take him.

[Aargyle]

I went CJ 2, no belief in Foster.

Sorry if I was OTC for a while, my anniversary runs near the 4th, and generally I take this whole week off. I'll be in on Thursday for sure, if it gets back to me in the second before then and I'm OTC for more than 12 hours (my wi-fi connection has gotten really weak as well) please pick for me!

[Football_Scooter]

CJ @ 2. Hmm

I don't see that happening in too many drafts either. After burning people last year I think his ADP will be 9-12 picks later in the 10-13 range. CJ absolutely should have ern there at 5, where I'd considered reaching for him.

Wondering how much the internal discussion about CJ here influenced that pick.

[Aargyle]

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

CJ @ 2. Hmm

I don't see that happening in too many drafts either. After burning people last year I think his ADP will be 9-12 picks later in the 10-13 range. CJ absolutely should have ern there at 5, where I'd considered reaching for him.

Wondering how much the internal discussion about CJ here influenced that pick.

I was one of the first ones in on that CJ discussion, saying I loved him (I had him last year in a draft and didn't feel all that burned). I didn't say where I'd take him, I'd go RR before him but I don't like Foster or AP above him, and I like the WR's and QB's deeper this year. I'd consider a couple other RB's up high, but not above CJ.

[Rholio]

If CJ is the one you want, then you take him. I'm quite happy with A. Foster at #3, he's got the highest upside of any of the RBs imo. He's got more risk than Rice, which moves Rice to #1 for me.

[Football_Scooter]

IMO McCoy & AFoster are both better suited to 1-2, and both are bargains at 3-4. I knew I'd hate 5th.

I'll pick in a few...

[Football_Scooter]

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

[Rholio]

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

Agreed, good choice.

[Football_Scooter]

PPR & elite WR seems to have a much steeper drop-off than RB this year.

[Portis26]

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

Megatron 1500 & 12
A guy like (insert player not picked yet) can get a higher total yards and possibly match the TDs - IMO

. and I'm not knocking pick by any means but Megatron IMO is one of the 4 to 5 Pass catchers that can get 1500/12 - Gronk - Graham - included with Borh AJs (Johnson if he can stay on field) - Brandon Marshall wouldn't surprise me now he is back with Cutler.

.

This post has been edited by Portis26: 02 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

[ft_ball_fan]

Portis26, on 02 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

Megatron 1500 & 12
A guy like (insert player not picked yet) can get a higher total yards and possibly match the TDs - IMO

. and I'm not knocking pick by any means but Megatron IMO is one of the 4 to 5 Pass catchers that can get 1500/12 - Gronk - Graham - included with Borh AJs (Johnson if he can stay on field) - Brandon Marshall wouldn't surprise me now he is back with Cutler.

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I think the yards and TD's are low for Mega... but I'll be the first to slap myself a homer and get my megatron jersey outa the closet. he's another (along withA foster) that I have rose colored glasses on and think his potential this year is sky high.. like 18+ TD's and 1800+ yards if he stays healthy... which I don't think will be a problem. I also think Det's D might take a step backwards with all the off field issues going on (becoming Cincinnati north).. meaning more passing as they fall behind.. and more Mega.

I'm not a huge CJ fan either--have him way lower than #2 on my board... wish he caught more out of the backfield... but you can't argue with his yardage. he's one I'm happy if he goes high-because then other guys have the chance to fall to me.

This post has been edited by ft_ball_fan: 03 July 2012 - 01:28 AM

[Football_Scooter]

Portis26, on 02 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

Megatron 1500 & 12
A guy like (insert player not picked yet) can get a higher total yards and possibly match the TDs - IMO

. and I'm not knocking pick by any means but Megatron IMO is one of the 4 to 5 Pass catchers that can get 1500/12 - Gronk - Graham - included with Borh AJs (Johnson if he can stay on field) - Brandon Marshall wouldn't surprise me now he is back with Cutler.

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Sure sounded like you were knocking it.

I think Megatron is a full tier above any other receiver this year. It's a 10-team league and RB is deeper than WR. Every team after me could take a RB and I'd still be happy with my pick. Plus at 5, I get to pick in not too long....

I think your numbers describe his floor. He's a, 18-20 TD receiver who is reportedly bigger and faster than he was last year - and a triple team can't stop him.

Would I take him over CJ2K at 5? Probably not. But I didn't have that choice. I agree there are players left with more upside than 1500/12. Including Megatron, because that's a low projection for one of the best weapons in the NFL regardless of position on a team without a great run game. Last year he went 96/1681/16 and you think he'll be 4 TDs and ~200 yards fewer? Sorry - don't agree.

Megatron was the "safest" upside pick here. There are a few boom or bust picks with massive upside - if only their teams play well and if only they can stay healthy. No thanks - PPR I'm thrilled with Megatron anywhere after 4.

Andre Johnson is a beast - who can't stay healthy for a season and who finds himself in the middle of a run 1st offense. Now that the Texans D is brutally good, they have no need to air it out. I've owned AJ for years in FFB and he's never lived up to his enormous upside either from injury or the team's change in offensive philosophy.


Graham? Yeah - good luck with your Saints this year. That franchise is a mess.
Gronk? Again - I'm not taking a TE in the 1st round for one, and for two if you honestly, seriously think either Graham or Gronk will outperform Megatron, you are straight up smoking ganja.

[Aargyle]

Football_Scooter, on 03 July 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Portis26, on 02 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 02 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I went ahead & took Megatron. After McCoy/AFoster I just didn't see a RB I loved - none have the scoring potential of. Calvin Johnson who appeared to be unstoppable last year.

If this were a 12-14 team league I'd have gone QB there but as its 10 teams that can wait.

Megatron 1500 & 12
A guy like (insert player not picked yet) can get a higher total yards and possibly match the TDs - IMO

. and I'm not knocking pick by any means but Megatron IMO is one of the 4 to 5 Pass catchers that can get 1500/12 - Gronk - Graham - included with Borh AJs (Johnson if he can stay on field) - Brandon Marshall wouldn't surprise me now he is back with Cutler.

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Sure sounded like you were knocking it.

I think Megatron is a full tier above any other receiver this year. It's a 10-team league and RB is deeper than WR. Every team after me could take a RB and I'd still be happy with my pick. Plus at 5, I get to pick in not too long....

I think your numbers describe his floor. He's a, 18-20 TD receiver who is reportedly bigger and faster than he was last year - and a triple team can't stop him.

Would I take him over CJ2K at 5? Probably not. But I didn't have that choice. I agree there are players left with more upside than 1500/12. Including Megatron, because that's a low projection for one of the best weapons in the NFL regardless of position on a team without a great run game. Last year he went 96/1681/16 and you think he'll be 4 TDs and ~200 yards fewer? Sorry - don't agree.

Megatron was the "safest" upside pick here. There are a few boom or bust picks with massive upside - if only their teams play well and if only they can stay healthy. No thanks - PPR I'm thrilled with Megatron anywhere after 4.

Andre Johnson is a beast - who can't stay healthy for a season and who finds himself in the middle of a run 1st offense. Now that the Texans D is brutally good, they have no need to air it out. I've owned AJ for years in FFB and he's never lived up to his enormous upside either from injury or the team's change in offensive philosophy.


Graham? Yeah - good luck with your Saints this year. That franchise is a mess.
Gronk? Again - I'm not taking a TE in the 1st round for one, and for two if you honestly, seriously think either Graham or Gronk will outperform Megatron, you are straight up smoking ganja.

Like McCoy over Foster also, but didn't want to name drop before the pick.

Won't take CJ this year. Superstitious, cover of Madden THIRTEEN after career year.

Agree there is a steep dropoff, but I think the dropoff is a drop off from last year. I really don't see a "top tier" (as I'm unwilling to take CJ in it) this year at WR, but I do like where the WR's go round 2/3. If I draft early, I'm taking RB. If I draft late...I might be taking RB, depending on who is there.

[Football_Scooter]

I'm not a madden curse guy.

Nice pull on ARod Portis. If this were a 12-14 team league that woulda been my pick at 5.

[dagame]

I was thinking of ARod or MJD at 1.6 but I am of the the wait for QB camp so wen t with MJD. I always loved MJD but for some reason have a feeling that he'll have a down year. No way do I touch R. Mathews this early.

[Football_Scooter]

I'm low on MJD this year & now there's talk of a holdout extending into the season...and the Jags - ew. I'd rather have ARod.

[dagame]

I agree the Jags suck but they have to better than last year, right?

[Football_Scooter]

Not necessarily. Didn't they take a punter with their 1st round pick?

[dagame]

lol Blackmon in jail might be a punter.

[Football_Scooter]

lol

[ft_ball_fan]

dagame, on 04 July 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

I was thinking of ARod or MJD at 1.6 but I am of the the wait for QB camp so wen t with MJD. I always loved MJD but for some reason have a feeling that he'll have a down year. No way do I touch R. Mathews this early.

Interesting... I'm down on MJD this year too and would rather have R Mathews.. i was hoping to snag him with my pick . Had a hard time deciding where to go with the pick because I usually wait on QB too.

[Aargyle]

ft_ball_fan, on 05 July 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

dagame, on 04 July 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

I was thinking of ARod or MJD at 1.6 but I am of the the wait for QB camp so wen t with MJD. I always loved MJD but for some reason have a feeling that he'll have a down year. No way do I touch R. Mathews this early.

Interesting... I'm down on MJD this year too and would rather have R Mathews.. i was hoping to snag him with my pick . Had a hard time deciding where to go with the pick because I usually wait on QB too.

Agree Mathews over MJD.

Also agree it's tough in the late 1st, this is my first mock this year and I hadn't realized.

[Football_Scooter]

Come on people - at this rate I'm gonna be drafting my real team before the 5th round. wtf - pick already.

[Football_Scooter]

I prefer a late 1st round pick this yer. I think there's an awesome shot at:
1.12 QB1
2.01 WR1

Or

1.12 WR1
2.01 RB1

Or

1.12 RB1
2.01 RB1

Or

1.12 WR1
2.01 WR2

Just sayin - IMO 9-12 are some of the better positions this year. might need to study up to maximize value, but in terms of VBD there's some great opportunity at the end of a 12-14 teamer this year.

For a 10 team league 5-10 is my preference if I can't have #1. And I'm not convinced that #s 1&20 are better than 12-13 this year.

[Football_Scooter]

Solid 1-2 punch there at 10.

A little worried about AZ at QB.

[Rholio]

Football_Scooter, on 06 July 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Solid 1-2 punch there at 10.

A little worried about AZ at QB.

Yeah, those are the two players I'd have grabbed there as well. With this being a 10 team draft, getting a top player at any position is more valuable than just grabbing RBs. Nothing wrong with grabbing RBs, but that position is deeper with less teams.

[Football_Scooter]

agreed - 10 team league I'd expect the elite WRs to go quicker than marginal RBs. A lot of land mines at RB this year. Lot of teams with bad situations. It's partly what makes AFoster, Rice, McCoy, CJ2K so valuable. We'll see how it unfolds though...

[Football_Scooter]

Brees/Welker will put up points.

[ft_ball_fan]

There are lots of WR's I don't like (won't name names) but Fitz is one... I agree the QB situation in AZ scares me off...

Welker might be a bit of a reach--but I don't see him getting fewer than 100 receptions... and the other guys I like have big question marks around them so I didn't feel comfortable taking them this early in the second... I'd rather have a sure thing... I think that's Welker.

This mock is great practice... picking late has opened my eyes to how few 'lock' guys are out there... and that there are tons of guys who could be boom or bust...

[Rholio]

Bit early for Welker, but I agree he's a safe bet in a PPR system.

Happy to get McFadden here, I'll ride the roller coaster with him... his highs match any RB in the league. Hopefully, this is the year he stays healthy.

[Football_Scooter]

If McFadden made it to me I wouldn't be able to pass on him. He killed me last year. His handcuff situation bears watching. Won't name names but it's interesting at least.

Upside = ridiculous though.

Raiders could epically disappoint or exceed everyone's expectations. Wild swings possible, but so long as he'a healthy DMC is a 1st round talent. Big if.

[letsgoblue]

Football_Scooter, on 06 July 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Solid 1-2 punch there at 10.

A little worried about AZ at QB.

I'm not a huge fan of the AZ QB situation either but it wasn't great last year and Fitz put up good numbers last year so I'm hoping with the 2 QBs battling and having another year under their belt it will only help Fitz.

I usually like to go WR-WR with the last pick of the draft but I'm also a huge Brady fan and I couldn't justify taking a WR over him in my own head.

[Portis26]

ft_ball_fan, on 06 July 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

This mock is great practice... picking late has opened my eyes to how few 'lock' guys are out there... and that there are tons of guys who could be boom or bust...

I sumtimes pass on a player to see where he'd fall.

[Football_Scooter]

Went with Richardson - love the upside and he's one of the few "feature backs" left. I have to have 1 and there it is.

Very nearly went with a QB. Opted to wait as there's a lot of depth at the position & it's a 10-team league. While very tempting to pair up my Lions, or to grab a certain other big cat, I resisted and went with the "safe" pick.

Not loving the Browns though....could be a mistake. I'm my scoring systems (private leagues) I would have gone QB here no question.

[Football_Scooter]

Was wondering how late APKneeterson would go.

Later than I thought, earlier than I would have taken him.

[Rholio]

Yo Adrian! I did it!

Gotta go with AP here, big risk / reward guy though. There are safer options left, but I think Peterson will be the AP we all remember.

[Football_Scooter]

Rholio, on 06 July 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

I think Peterson will be the AP we all remember.

Limping off the field, hurt & grimacing as his team loses 37-6?

[Rholio]

Football_Scooter, on 06 July 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Rholio, on 06 July 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

I think Peterson will be the AP we all remember.

Limping off the field, hurt & grimacing as his team loses 37-6?

Finishing as a top 5 RB, once again.

[ft_ball_fan]

All the guys just taken were guys I considered but was too scared... the dropoff in talent when you pick in the late 3rd/early 4th is so great.. I think if you pick at the end of the 1st/beginning of the second you have to get lock performers.

McFadden--not until he plays a whole season... He could easily lead the league if he does.

Andre Johnson... when healthy IMO #2 WR in the league... but don't think at 31 he'll be healthy

Forte and AP... love them both and wanted the feature back... but it seems guys typically take a full year coming off injury to 'get it back to normal'.... was really temped with Forte and PPR though. Played is safe w/a little reach w/Welker...