[Football_Scooter]

God it's ugly. This offense is pathetic - the OL is just godawful & Kolb really sucks. I'm baffled as to how AZ is 4-0 other than the defense carrying them ala the 2000 Favens. I'd take Dilfet over Kolb though and it s not close.

Think about that comparison - shudder.

Sheesh

[The Dawgpound]

Football_Scooter, on 05 October 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

God it's ugly. This offense is pathetic - the OL is just godawful & Kolb really sucks. I'm baffled as to how AZ is 4-0 other than the defense carrying them ala the 2000 Favens. I'd take Dilfet over Kolb though and it s not close.

Think about that comparison - shudder.

Sheesh

im not on the Cardinals bandwagon but Kolb has played pretty descent so far

[Football_Scooter]

I dunno - i watched every play in this game. He throws behind receivers and he's nowhere near decisive enough. Fitz ran a hitch on one play - 100% timing route. Ball has to be put of his hand before Fitz is there. He waits for Fitz to get there, stops, turns & then throws - almost picked.

Yeah - he was battered & bruised this week but there were plays where he missed wide open receivers and the Rams only rushed 3.

And the pass to Fitz in the 1st half was abominable - Fitz had it - separation. Kolb saw it - threw it, and just overthrew him. It was terrible.

Kolb is not good under pressure & he's constantly going to be under pressure behind that awful line. He's not fast enough and he doesn't make enough reads.

Skelton will be starting soon IMO.

[The Dawgpound]

Football_Scooter, on 05 October 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

I dunno - i watched every play in this game. He throws behind receivers and he's nowhere near decisive enough. Fitz ran a hitch on one play - 100% timing route. Ball has to be put of his hand before Fitz is there. He waits for Fitz to get there, stops, turns & then throws - almost picked.

Yeah - he was battered & bruised this week but there were plays where he missed wide open receivers and the Rams only rushed 3.

And the pass to Fitz in the 1st half was abominable - Fitz had it - separation. Kolb saw it - threw it, and just overthrew him. It was terrible.

Kolb is not good under pressure & he's constantly going to be under pressure behind that awful line. He's not fast enough and he doesn't make enough reads.

Skelton will be starting soon IMO.

Kolb has been sacked now 18 times in his last 2 games

[Football_Scooter]

Oh I know. They wouldn't stop talking about it. But when
He has time he sucks too.

[yoman]

I agree to a point because I don't think they are made for a long playoff run but you can't read too much into any single loss. The Cardinals have beaten the Pats and the Eagles who many think are two of the top teams in the NFL. I remember the Bears looked like their season was over 2 years ago after they got destroyed by the Giants (Cutler got sacked about 1,000 times) and they ended up going to the NFC championship game. Last year they looked like garbage at the beginning of the year and then Cutler was caught on tape telling Martz to go F himself and they reeled off 5 straight before he got injured. Once he and Forte got injured they started losing and missed the playoffs but they were being mentioned among the best teams in the NFL. The Cards have some talent and will probably be wild card contenders when all is said and done.

[Football_Scooter]

Uh, they "beat" the pats when Godskowski missed a FG.

You can't read into every win too much either. Pats beat themselves.

[Aargyle]

7-21 for 141 yards to win, Bradford was no spring chicken either.

Kolb is going to be gone, despite taking the team to 4-0. Skelton is almost healthy again. Roto:

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According to Pro Football Focus, Kevin Kolb was pressured on 52.5 percent of offensive snaps Thursday night.
That figure was at 35 percent through four weeks. Kolb's 17 sacks in the past five days are the most in a two-game span by an NFL quarterback since 1986. There were a few instances where he could have gotten rid of the ball more quickly, but this has simply been a matter of the Cardinals' tackles being exposed as the worst position unit in the league. Kolb's toughness should be unquestioned. We still expect him to hold off a healthy John Skelton for the Week 6 start. The Cardinals know they can't run 63 pass plays and expect to keep their QB in one piece.

I said in the Thursday startem thread: I was not a believer in the Cards. I think at 4-0 they still have a good shot to miss the playoffs (and I thought they would go 5-0).

[yoman]

Football_Scooter, on 05 October 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Uh, they "beat" the pats when Godskowski missed a FG.

You can't read into every win too much either. Pats beat themselves.

They still won and kept the explosive Pats offense in check. That field goal wasn't a chip shot but it was definitely a rare miss. I probably made a mistake when I said the Cards would be wild card contenders because I remember somebody (probably you) pointed out in another thread that their schedule is brutal. I don't think the Cards can fix their offensive line problems which means they will go as far as their defense carries them.

[Aargyle]

yoman, on 05 October 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Football_Scooter, on 05 October 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Uh, they "beat" the pats when Godskowski missed a FG.

You can't read into every win too much either. Pats beat themselves.

They still won and kept the explosive Pats offense in check. That field goal wasn't a chip shot but it was definitely a rare miss. I probably made a mistake when I said the Cards would be wild card contenders because I remember somebody (probably you) pointed out in another thread that their schedule is brutal. I don't think the Cards can fix their offensive line problems which means they will go as far as their defense carries them.

From my Thursday Night post quote:

Aargyle, on 04 October 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Wins vs Seattle (who will end up as not good), Miami (who is near bottom-barrel), Phili (I'm not a believer here either, WAY to many turnovers), and NE--a legitimate win, maybe. NE hasn't looked good, and that week they were looking ahead to Baltimore.

The pats were totally looking ahead, prepping for another team, and ignoring AZ. Pats have also only beaten the Titans and Bills so far, it is completely possible they are not a good team this year. We may look back at AZ's 4-0 start at the beginning of the year and say that none of the wins were "quality".

[ryanv75]

yoman, on 05 October 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

I agree to a point because I don't think they are made for a long playoff run but you can't read too much into any single loss. The Cardinals have beaten the Pats and the Eagles who many think are two of the top teams in the NFL. I remember the Bears looked like their season was over 2 years ago after they got destroyed by the Giants (Cutler got sacked about 1,000 times) and they ended up going to the NFC championship game. Last year they looked like garbage at the beginning of the year and then Cutler was caught on tape telling Martz to go F himself and they reeled off 5 straight before he got injured. Once he and Forte got injured they started losing and missed the playoffs but they were being mentioned among the best teams in the NFL. The Cards have some talent and will probably be wild card contenders when all is said and done.

The NFC West hardly boasts and impressive stable of QBs. In fact all of the teams play from a similar philosophy : run the ball and play great defence. If Tebow can win a playoff game any QB can.

[Football_Scooter]

Dude - the Cards can't run the ball. The OL can't pass protect. 17 sacks in 2 weeks.

You cannot possibly think this team has a chance. The only "quality" win was against a Pats team that essentially shit the bed. Brady's receivers had a rare day of the dropsies, including Lloyd on not one, but two deep TDs that he should have caught.

The Eagles also beat themselves with Vick's ridiculous turnovers.

The Dolphins stink. And the Rams just throttled them by attacking their biggest weakness: pass protection. The rest of the league clearly sees last week (a game they were damn lucky to win too btw) as a blueprint. Jeff Fischer certainly did.

Cards are a mess right now. They're gonna be lucky to win another game much less a "wildcard". That's just fantasy.

[dagame]

ryanv75, on 05 October 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

yoman, on 05 October 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

I agree to a point because I don't think they are made for a long playoff run but you can't read too much into any single loss. The Cardinals have beaten the Pats and the Eagles who many think are two of the top teams in the NFL. I remember the Bears looked like their season was over 2 years ago after they got destroyed by the Giants (Cutler got sacked about 1,000 times) and they ended up going to the NFC championship game. Last year they looked like garbage at the beginning of the year and then Cutler was caught on tape telling Martz to go F himself and they reeled off 5 straight before he got injured. Once he and Forte got injured they started losing and missed the playoffs but they were being mentioned among the best teams in the NFL. The Cards have some talent and will probably be wild card contenders when all is said and done.

The NFC West hardly boasts and impressive stable of QBs. In fact all of the teams play from a similar philosophy : run the ball and play great defence. If Tebow can win a playoff game any QB can.

Apparently, Stafford, M. Ryan and many other QB's can't.